Heya, I know you guys know how I feel about the AC, but I'm gonna reiterate what I feel here. (Also I'm sorry if I upset any of you with my plurk, it wasn't my intention to hurt feelings at all.)
The first talking point I have is how complicated both the AC page and AC seems. I know someone already pointed that out, but I'm just doubling down on the page clutter. It makes it kinda hard to get to the meat and potatoes of the page. As for AC, I really love the idea of Base AC and how it's done. But it seems like there's a lot of I dunno, hoops to jump through now with how a thread is counted; my main gripe is the 3 comment minimum, which I could understand for like Base AC but it seems a little silly for Bonus? I'm a slow tagger meaning it takes a while to get threads up and going, especially since a lot of the people I tag with are also slow taggers. I understand that it's not to abandon threads, but it also is problematic to the slower taggers especially towards stuff started later on in the month. I guess what I'm saying is, would this count as backtagging in fairness? Like would I be able to claim the points next month, even if the tags happened in the previous month? (I know you were asked a similar q to this on the questions part of the ac page but I just want to be sure here.)
I think another one of my issues with the new AC is just how piled on top of everything it seems to be, but I think that'll be sorted with a streamlined AC page, as has already been discussed.
I also don't love that Inbox threads have been taken away completely from Base AC, since they're still basically game canon. I understand why it was done and might argue to allow people to use one for the AC but that might make things confusing too. So I think perhaps keeping it to Bonus AC is the right thing (even if I'm a salted peanut over it). But I do wish there was a better solution to this, since I figure it's an attempt to make people be available to other characters, however it's hardly different than doing closed logs or private messages on the network. What I mean is that if people are going to be unavailable to new cr, they're going to find other ways to do it. Inbox or not. I don't really have a solution to offer since I can understand both sides, but I think it's ultimately a losing battle against people who are going to find ways to not tag out other than to their friends.
Also I might calculate my bonus tags differently but I really don't see the need for a new way to calculate cross-canon cr. It feels like it's complicating something that doesn't need to be complicated? Just tack on the points at the thread? It just makes the point system seem even more overwhelming to me in my opinion. I really love the idea of CC points though, and love that they're implemented because it rewarding to make new CR. However, I'm of the firm belief that easy math is the right way to go, and adding an entirely new section to the math parts is a little redundant if it can be done in the other parts.
I also saw Sarah suggest nixing horror points in general, which I think could simplify things a lot. At this point, it seems like everyone's aware they're here for a horror game, and they're having fun with the horror aspects. I know it was first implemented before to make sure people weren't being too SOL-y but I think it's kinda been a good test and you can see the player-base has embraced the horror. I'm curious as to if Ami checks the horror points to see if they're horror threads, and if they are, wouldn't simply requiring a horror thread for base AC be easier to be sure people are doing horror things?
I was fine with the 1 tag, 1 point system, but I get why people would want it to be changed and I also don't mind the change. My main issue is like. What about action in network tags, does that make it a log tag? Or are log tags strictly tags that take place in the logging community? I think a more defined explanation would really benefit a lot of people. Especially with like video tags, like Wade is very ... wiggly and expressive, and I know his video tags can get pretty long winded. Is it just a matter of which network it's put in or is it a matter of how long? Or if there's action involved? I think defining that for the player base would be really helpful.
I know you guys have been working to try to fix AC and also working hard to keep people happy, which is REALLY appreciated. You guys are great mods, great people, and great writers. And even if people are critical of a system in place doesn't mean there's any judgement on you guys, and I hope you're aware of that.
I think these are all my thinky thoughts for now, if I have any more, I'll come back here.
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The first talking point I have is how complicated both the AC page and AC seems. I know someone already pointed that out, but I'm just doubling down on the page clutter. It makes it kinda hard to get to the meat and potatoes of the page. As for AC, I really love the idea of Base AC and how it's done. But it seems like there's a lot of I dunno, hoops to jump through now with how a thread is counted; my main gripe is the 3 comment minimum, which I could understand for like Base AC but it seems a little silly for Bonus? I'm a slow tagger meaning it takes a while to get threads up and going, especially since a lot of the people I tag with are also slow taggers. I understand that it's not to abandon threads, but it also is problematic to the slower taggers especially towards stuff started later on in the month. I guess what I'm saying is, would this count as backtagging in fairness? Like would I be able to claim the points next month, even if the tags happened in the previous month? (I know you were asked a similar q to this on the questions part of the ac page but I just want to be sure here.)
I think another one of my issues with the new AC is just how piled on top of everything it seems to be, but I think that'll be sorted with a streamlined AC page, as has already been discussed.
I also don't love that Inbox threads have been taken away completely from Base AC, since they're still basically game canon. I understand why it was done and might argue to allow people to use one for the AC but that might make things confusing too. So I think perhaps keeping it to Bonus AC is the right thing (even if I'm a salted peanut over it). But I do wish there was a better solution to this, since I figure it's an attempt to make people be available to other characters, however it's hardly different than doing closed logs or private messages on the network. What I mean is that if people are going to be unavailable to new cr, they're going to find other ways to do it. Inbox or not. I don't really have a solution to offer since I can understand both sides, but I think it's ultimately a losing battle against people who are going to find ways to not tag out other than to their friends.
Also I might calculate my bonus tags differently but I really don't see the need for a new way to calculate cross-canon cr. It feels like it's complicating something that doesn't need to be complicated? Just tack on the points at the thread? It just makes the point system seem even more overwhelming to me in my opinion. I really love the idea of CC points though, and love that they're implemented because it rewarding to make new CR. However, I'm of the firm belief that easy math is the right way to go, and adding an entirely new section to the math parts is a little redundant if it can be done in the other parts.
I also saw Sarah suggest nixing horror points in general, which I think could simplify things a lot. At this point, it seems like everyone's aware they're here for a horror game, and they're having fun with the horror aspects. I know it was first implemented before to make sure people weren't being too SOL-y but I think it's kinda been a good test and you can see the player-base has embraced the horror. I'm curious as to if Ami checks the horror points to see if they're horror threads, and if they are, wouldn't simply requiring a horror thread for base AC be easier to be sure people are doing horror things?
I was fine with the 1 tag, 1 point system, but I get why people would want it to be changed and I also don't mind the change. My main issue is like. What about action in network tags, does that make it a log tag? Or are log tags strictly tags that take place in the logging community? I think a more defined explanation would really benefit a lot of people. Especially with like video tags, like Wade is very ... wiggly and expressive, and I know his video tags can get pretty long winded. Is it just a matter of which network it's put in or is it a matter of how long? Or if there's action involved? I think defining that for the player base would be really helpful.
I know you guys have been working to try to fix AC and also working hard to keep people happy, which is REALLY appreciated. You guys are great mods, great people, and great writers. And even if people are critical of a system in place doesn't mean there's any judgement on you guys, and I hope you're aware of that.
I think these are all my thinky thoughts for now, if I have any more, I'll come back here.